you worked for many years with speaker john boehner. what advice would you give him? guest: without abandoning principle -- people seem to lose sight of, if you look $5 trillion reduction in the deficit, new revenues needs to be a part of that. my perspective is you broaden the base of taxpayers, and you get rid of the underwriting. you could raise that money. on the democrat side they want to tax the to% of wage earners. people back out rich in this country did not get rich by being stupid. you will cause them to start looking for loopholes and deductions. there is a way to get there. where there is a will, there is a way. host: congressman sander levin encouraged us to talk about what these loopholes might be. sinn fein is like deductions for mortgage, education, -- should things like deductions, mortgage, education, should they be on the table? guest: they should be on the table, but not for the middle class. in the last congress, we got 38 votes. what that says this may be for somebody making $2 million, living in a five million-dollar house, maybe do not need the